I want to share this discussion as I feel we all were representing our views as normal Indian Citizen belonging to different part of India with all earnest.
(No Edits are made to this discussion and same is available at above mentioned blog post)
Panel:Saurabh Rauniyar (North Indian)
Anbu Chembian (South Indian)
Tetenawa Chatidea (North-East Indian)
Saurabh Rauniyar: No body should run due to threats...if you will not fight your battle...nobody going to do that for u...nd why NE people should be told that India is their country...We have to remember Mahatma Gandhi's wisdom all the time...specially in trying times...Never back down from your opponents...non-violently defy opponents diktat nd walk the right path... Oppressed is always in league wid Oppressor (atleast in legitimizing the action of Oppressor).
Anbu Chembian: Non-violence against a riot (even if it is rumoured)? It will fail terribly for many reasons. First, rioters, unlike British, are unreasonable people and second, you can't protest when your life is at risk. Safety is second, just after Physiological needs, in the Maslow's hierarchy of needs - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maslow's_hierarchy_of_needs#Safety_needs
Saurabh Rauniyar: Mr. Anbu Chembian: Protest without fear is the true protest...it sounds too preachy but dats wht Bapu taught us...when he took mighty british empire in champaran...he jst had his fearless conviction against a very oppressive brit rule
Tetenawa Chatidea: Remember in the land of Gandhi,Irom Sharmila is left to rot with nasal feeds in a dark corner where there seem to be no bridge. We all should cut this historic crap of winning freedom from British with Non Violence of Bapu ( no disrespect). It was mainly for the fear of mutiny in British Indian Army that United Kingdom came to the conclusion to withdraw gracefully before getting a shameful defeat from a new more organised INA of WW2. Some where in some corner some community took the advantage of this whole misadventure and said we won you freedom, well what about other millions who died fighting brits were not even credited? We are taught with pseudo-inclined history to appease some section while the remaining were pictures of dead photo frames.Indian history itself is so concocted that we don't want to tell our children any more lies.
Saurabh Rauniyar: Read Ideas and Opinion by Mr. Albert Einstein(hope u believe he was man of reasonable logic)...he clearly pointed out that violence for any noble cause will finally attract ppl wid low moral nd d cause will be lost nd Mr. Einstein was big fan of Mr. Gandhi...In troublesome africa Mr. Nelson Mandela realized d power of non-violence and now we hv South Africa as an Oasis in middle of battle torn Africa...Mr. Martin Luther King realized that apartheid and slavery can be ended only by non-violence...cause as our very own Gandhi(bad dat we forgot him when whole of world is waking to its ideas) said "An Eye for An Eye will make whole world blind"...fi8ng nd dying will get instant result for one side but not long lasting peace...world is full of such horror stories...I agree wht hppnd to Irom Sharmila is bad but then you need to appreciate her resolve to continue her non-violent struggle...may be if ppl in NE become part of her struggle in cohesive manner then Indian Government had to listen to their legitimate demands...The right path will always be d toughest one because it will test your character...nd sometimes path is more important than destination :)
Tetenawa Chatidea: "A mob is a mob is a mob" is very potent proverb if you are teaching of non violence, so all the valor fearlessness etc etc is a rhetoric irony. Thats why ppl made the exodus. Fear is something that dwells in every army of the world.The idea of standing up works in for freedom struggle so do you suggest that we are here for a freedom movement in this Independent Nation of ours(if you insist). Yes we believe in non-violence thats why the exodus HAHA
Tetenawa Chatidea: one last addition if you don't mind, see the word non violence is over hyped as compared to non cooperative movement.
Saurabh Rauniyar: Shakespeare must be turning in his grave :O Courage/Cowardice both stem from Fear...this is something everybody must hv felt...some ppl stand ground to win over fear or some ppl loose ground to let fear win...nd for ur cowardice u shud not be blaming others...d idea of standing up comes very frequently in our life when we had to make choices...nothing is perfect in this world so we can not assume a fair society...our country has also got problems for which we all have to struggle so that we can give a better country to coming generation...NE ppl exodus was d worst thing NE ppl could hv done specially in d context it had happen...dey jst reacted so strongly to d rumors...in Mumbai Biharis and UP labors/cab wallahas/etc are threatened so often...even force are used again dem...still dey continue to say dat India is a free country and dey hv freedom to stay anywhere...non cooperative moment is jst plain defiance which is natural reaction...nothing gr8 abt it...its defiance wid non-violence which matters...
Tetenawa Chatidea: The last man standing still lml :p
Lets rephrasexxxx refresh the line again "a mob is a mob is a mob"
I will not let my child hang on standing a lost ground " arm-less and un-protected" to achieve his/her bravery award when his/her soul is in the grave,
this is an every parent night-mare.
I will not wait for the mob till the rumour becomes eventuality and regretted not having boarded the exodus tram along with all our
" look alike" brothers and sisters.
I have never seen dead coming to life to tell me the happy journey of the other avatar life (if there is) except see them in my dreams.
The main reason for NE exodus is not just being coward or scared but they will be out numbered,any case we are, in "eventuality" .
Sikhs were pulled out amongst the people in Northern India during sikh riot because they were easy to differentiate , NE will be an easy target unlike Biharis or Upiite who are anyway a camouflage in INDIAN look alike Indians.
Mumbai: Azad maidan rioter vandalised the police personnel and the soft rumoured target expect their life will be protected?
Pune: NE people were assualted thats for the fact added more fuel.
Mysore: a Tibetian was not spared, Bangalore: many got one on one threat and assaults.
NE ppl are targeted on daily basis in Northern belt of the country from last 30 years.
Introspecting: "Some where in Assam the monkeys fought over the bananas and the dogs were howling in mumbai because their ass got mite itch and the pune cats were running helter skelter because they were sex starved and the parliament hooligans were shout stop stop there is too much of violence in Pakistan, does it make sense?"
Have you ever seen a rioting mob in your life?
We NE have seen thousands of time. its nothing to be proud of standing ground and fighting, it sound cool in COURT ROOM not on streets.
Don't blame others?
First lets concentrate how about you educating those mob (your counterpart) more about NE rather then you educating NEers about rights and courageous.
Every dogs has their colony like wise NE dogs also have their own colony where they stand their ground fiercely. You will be very shock to see those fleeing
NE holding huge guns and swords in their home turf.
Not that there is a war but there was a propaganda war with vested interest, blaming other country will never solve the issue because the harms were indeed done by the very locals of the region. This is something many Indians failed to acknowledge it.
Lets drop that Idea "we have a long way to go for the next generation" We say You have a long way to go before pretending to understand the NE while we have not at all understood what India itself is all about.
I think NE exodus was the right thing because its better to be safe than being a sorry ass or headless shoulder..
" we shall fight the battle some other day "- just out of curiosity i blurted - curiosity killed the cat-
Rumour killed millions in the Partition, its a dangerous tool, buddy.
World-wars writing on the wall "hear nothing, speak nothing because the wall has got ears'.
This is Che from heaven speaking not some Britney sex spear from her grave. --- Lovingly
Your turn :0 ImI
Saurabh Rauniyar: My dear Brother...i understand your concern...sorry i belong to Majority community looking like Indian(i don't knw wht it means as features changes as we go from north to south or east to west) who has not faced threat to life from other community or group...but i do feel threatened for my life when i drive on road, when i m in crowded place, when a powerful gunda or neta assaults me, when police threatens me. in all my capacity I told my NE brothers that make us part of your fear but don't run. I understand that India's Law and Order situation is bad it has not come to a situation where a particular group of ppl will be killed by handful mad ppl and whole nation will watch. Rest easy bro...In our country sanity is more den insanity and plz don't ask anyone to make u feel part of India...you are India...Jai Hind _/\_
The NE Indians should have stayed back and believed the Governments's assurance. But I guess there confidence in Police and fellow Indians is very low.
(Apologies for Bad Grammar and Spelling)